Agenda and draft minutes

Licensing Sub-Committee - Monday 22nd July, 2024 10.30 am

Venue: Council Chamber, Wallfields, Hertford. View directions

Contact: Peter Mannings  Tel: (01279) 502174 Email:  peter.mannings@eastherts.gov.uk

Items
No. Item

15.

Appointment of Chair

Minutes:

Councillor Connolly proposed and Councillor Redfern seconded, a motion that Councillor Townsend be appointed Chair of the Licensing Sub-Committee for the meeting.

 

RESOLVED – that Councillor Townsend be appointed Chair of the Licensing Sub-Committee for the meeting.

16.

Apologies

To receive apologies for absence.

Minutes:

There were no apologies.

17.

Chair's Announcements

Minutes:

The chair welcomed all parties to the hearing, and reminded participants to use their microphones when speaking so that all the proceedings could be heard by those present in the room.

18.

Declarations of Interest

To receive any Members’ Declarations of Interest.

Minutes:

There were no declarations of interest.

19.

Summary of Procedure pdf icon PDF 99 KB

A summary of the procedure to be followed during consideration of item 7 is attached.

 

Minutes:

The chair drew everyone’s attention to the summary of procedure document included as part of the formal agenda.

20.

Exclusion of Press and Public

To move that under Section 100(A)(4) of the Local Government Act 1972 the press and public be excluded from the meeting during discussion of item 7 on the grounds that it involves the likely disclosure of exempt information as defined in paragraph 1 of Part 1 of Schedule 12A of the said Act of the following description:

 

1.  Information relating to an individual”.

Minutes:

Councillor Townsend proposed and Councillor Connolly seconded, a motion that pursuant to Section 100 (A) (4) of the Local Government Act 1972 as amended, the press and public be excluded during consideration of the business referred to in Minute 21, on the grounds that it involved the likely disclosure of exempt information as defined in paragraph 1 of Part 1 of Schedule 12A of the said Act.

 

After being put to the meeting and a vote taken, the motion was declared CARRIED.

 

RESOLVED – that the press and public be excluded during consideration of the business referred to in Minute 21, on the grounds that it involved the likely disclosure of exempt information as defined in paragraph 1 of Part 1 of Schedule 12A of the said Act.

21.

Consideration of a Temporary Event Notices given for the Ware Express, 79 High Street, Ware, SG12 9AD (24/1050/TEN)

A Temporary Event Notice (TEN) has been given by Mr Kemal Ovet, the premises user, to allow licensable activity, that is, the selling of alcohol for consumption off the premises, for an extended period at Ware Express which benefits from premises licence 22/0304/PLV. An objection has been received from Hertfordshire Constabulary in their role as a statutory consultee. Where objections are received against a TEN, and not withdrawn, there must be a Licensing Sub-Committee meeting to decide on the licensable activities covered by that TEN. This report is to inform the decision of the Licensing Sub-Committee.

Minutes:

The Head of Housing and Health presented the report and summarised the application for the Temporary Event Notices (TENs) at Ware Express, 79 High Street, Ware SG12 9AD (24/1050/TEN).

 

He advised that there had been a representation from Hertfordshire Constabulary that had included correspondence sent to the premises user from trading standards. Members were advised that the police representation related to the following three licensing objectives:

 

Prevention of Crime and Disorder

Public Safety

Prevention of Public Nuisance.

 

The Sub-Committee was reminded that they could attach conditions from the existing licence, which were included at appendix E of the agenda. The Head of Housing and Health emphasised that the Police had commented that the premises licence was at some point ‘invalid’.

 

The Sub-Committee was advised that the wrong terminology had been used, and that the premises licence had always been valid. The Head of Housing and Health said that conditions were breached making licensable activity unauthorised, and therefore an offence.

 

The Sub-Committee was advised that the premises user had amended the TENs request to end at 2 am. There were no questions from the Sub-Committee or the police as the responsible authority. The premises user was not present at the hearing.

 

Police Sergeant Nathan Howson presented the police representation in respect of the TENS (24/1050/TEN). He said that in addition to the three licensing objectives referred to by the Head of Housing and Health, he considered that the protection of children from harm was also triggered by the police representation.

 

Sergeant Howson said that the closely managed Old Town Live event in Ware would run from 11:30 am to 10 pm on 27 July 2024, and the premises users had sought to use a TENs application to stay open beyond the end of the event.

 

He spoke at length in more detail in respect of the police concern and the lack of confidence in the DPS following a number of previous reports and incidents that had been brought to the police.

 

Sergeant Howson said that the police could not support any extension of hours under a TENs beyond the opening hours permitted by the existing premises licence. He referred to a history of anti-social behaviour and said that there was a lack of trust from the police following previous incidents.

 

Sergeant Howson responded to questions from the Sub-Committee. In line with procedure, and at the conclusion of closing statement from Sergeant Howson, the Sub-Committee retired to consider the evidence presented to the hearing by the police as the responsible authority. They were accompanied by the Committee Support Officer and the Legal Advisor.

 

The Sub-Committee reconvened in public session to give its decision. The Chair said that the Licensing Sub-Committee had reviewed the report for this matter and had listened to the comments from the Head of Housing and Health and the oral and written representations made by the police. He said that as the Premises User had not attended the hearing the Sub-Committee had therefore only been able to consider the  ...  view the full minutes text for item 21.

22.

Urgent Business

To consider such other business as, in the opinion of the Chairman of the meeting, is of sufficient urgency to warrant consideration and is not likely to involve the disclosure of exempt information.

Minutes:

There was no urgent business.