Agenda and minutes

Licensing Sub-Committee
Friday 4th August, 2017 2.00 pm

Venue: Council Chamber, Wallfields, Hertford. View directions

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No. Item


Appointment of Chairman


It was proposed by Councillor T Page and seconded by Councillor G Cutting that Councillor R Brunton be appointed Chairman of the Licensing Sub-Committee for the meeting.


RESOLVED – that Councillor R Brunton be appointed Chairman for the meeting.


Minutes - 9 June, 12 June and 26 June 2017 pdf icon PDF 44 KB

To approve the Minutes of Previous Sub-Committee meetings:


9 June 2017

12 June 2017

26 June 2017

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RESOLVED – that the Minutes of the meetings held on 9, 12 and 26 June 2017 be confirmed as correct records and signed by the Chairman.


Application by Mr Erdal Durmus for a New Premises Licence for Rumbles Fish Bar, 78 London Road, Sawbridgeworth Hertfordshire, CM21 9JN pdf icon PDF 104 KB

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The Chairman outlined the procedure to be followed.  All those present were introduced.  The Licensing Officer advised that the application was for a new premises licence for the sale of alcohol for consumption on and off the premises.  Members were advised that Rumbles Fish bar currently operated as a traditional fish and chips restaurant and take-away.


The Licensing Officer advised that Hertfordshire Constabulary and the Applicant had agreed that the requested hours for licensable activity would be amended in respect of the supply of alcohol for consumption on and off the premises as follows:


Monday to Sunday:              11 am – 8 pm (on sales)

Monday to Sunday:              11 am – 9 pm (off sales)


The times that the premises would be open to the public would not be amended from those detailed in paragraph 2.5 of the report submitted.  Members were advised that a representation against the application had been received from 2 local residents and this related to the Public Safety and Prevention of Public Nuisance licensing objectives.


The Licensing Officer advised that the objectors had stated that car parking issues and disruption to residents would invariably lead to increased public nuisance should the licence be granted.  This was not a relevant consideration with regards to the licensing regime given that the issue existed now and was not linked to licensable activity.


Members were further advised that the objectors had detailed issues that were already happening.  They believed that the premises licence was unnecessary and would lead to increased noise, anti-social behaviour and litter within the vicinity of the premises.  Members were reminded that necessity was specifically excluded from being a consideration as this was purely a business consideration so this part of the representation should be given no weight.


Members should decide how much weight to attach to the assertion that nuisance would increase if the premises licence was granted.  Members should only consider nuisance related to the licensable activity so unless issues occurring after 9 pm were directly attributable to alcohol sales from the premises then such matters could not be addressed by the licensing regime.


The Licensing Officer concluded that the objectors had been notified by the Licensing Authority of the reduction of alcohol hours and the additional conditions which had been agreed by the applicant.  At the time of writing the report the objectors had not responded to confirm whether these amendments mitigated their concerns.


The applicant’s agent presented the application on behalf of the applicant.  She read out a statement from the applicant’s business partner after being advised that this could not be circulated to Members as the objectors were not present to consent to this. 


The agent referred to a good relationship with neighbours aside from a number of incidents of builders’ vans being parked in front of the premises and across the entrance to the rear car park.  Members were advised that this car park was clearly signposted.


Councillor G Cutting was assured by the agent that if any customer requested  ...  view the full minutes text for item 11.