Agenda and minutes

Licensing Sub-Committee
Friday 21st June, 2019 10.00 am

Venue: Council Chamber, Wallfields, Hertford. View directions

Contact: Peter Mannings  Tel: (01279) 502174 Email:  peter.mannings@eastherts.gov.uk

Items
No. Item

6.

Appointment of Chairman

Minutes:

It was moved by Councillor N Symonds and seconded by Councillor D Andrews, that Councillor J Jones be appointed Chairman for the meeting.  After being put to the meeting and a vote taken, the motion was declared CARRIED.

 

RESOLVED – that Councillor J Jones be appointed Chairman for the meeting.

 

7.

Chairman's Announcements

Minutes:

The Chairman welcomed all to the meeting.  He explained that there had been a change to the membership of the published agenda and that Councillor D Andrews had replaced Councillor M McMullen.

 

The Chairman explained a number of housekeeping arrangements in relation to fire exits and toilet facilities.

8.

Minutes - 21 May 2018, 8 June 2018 and 20 May 2019 pdf icon PDF 35 KB

To approve the Minutes of Previous Sub-Committee meetings, as follows:

 

21 May 2018

8 June 2018

20 May 2019

Additional documents:

Minutes:

It was moved by Councillor J Jones and seconded by Councillor N Symonds that the Minutes of the meetings held on 21 May 2018, 8 June 2018 and 20 May 2019 be confirmed as a correct record and signed by the Chairman.  After being put to the meeting and a vote taken, the motion was declared CARRIED.

 

RESOLVED – that the Minutes of the meetings held on 21 May 2018, 8 June 2018 and 20 May 2019 be confirmed as a correct record and signed by the Chairman.

 

9.

Application for a Variation of the Premises Licence for The Woolpack, Millbridge, Hertford SG14 1PZ pdf icon PDF 75 KB

Additional documents:

Minutes:

The Chairman outlined the procedure to be followed.  All those present were introduced.  The Senior Licensing and Enforcement Officer summarised the application and said that nine representations had been received.  He stated that in summary, the main concerns related to the impact of the variation on neighbouring properties and of the request to allow unaccompanied children onto the premises. 

 

The Senior Licensing and Enforcement Officer explained that two Members had visited the premises to view the site when the applicant was in attendance but that no questions were asked during the site visit, but had been held back until today’s Sub-committee.  The Senior Licensing and Enforcement Officer reminded Members that having considered the application, their considerations should be evidence based and proportionate to what was intended.   

 

The Commercial Director (McMullens) on behalf of the applicant, summarised the current variation adding that the pub was a well run in the locality and that no representations had been received from responsible authorities.  The Commercial Director (McMullans) explained the reasons for wanting to extend the licensable areas to include a games room and crazy golf and referred to the suggested condition (11) from the Police in relation to no children being allowed onto the premises after 21:00 on a Friday and Saturday unless they were eating and that they were happy to extend that condition to apply at all time. 

 

Councillor D Andrews sought clarification from the applicant in terms of the business model in relation to the provision of children on site and the fact that in practice the pub was assuming parental responsibility. The Commercial Director (McMullens) on behalf of the applicant explained that he could not imagine that unaccompanied children would be on the premises at all and that the DPS had responsibility for such matters and would take a responsible view regarding the age of customers.  He explained that children were almost, without exception accompanied by their parents. 

 

Following a suggestion by Councillor D Andrews about the possibility of obtaining enhanced DBS checks on bar staff, the Legal Officer explained the position in relation to staff and DBS checks saying that such checks were not permitted for bar staff.

 

Councillor N Symonds asked whether plastic glasses could be used outside.  The Commercial Director (McMullens) confirmed that they would not be using plastic glasses but that the ones used were of the toughed variety which shattered on impact.

 

In response to a query from Councillor Andrews, the DPS explained that background music would be played outside.  The Director (McMullens) commented that the level of noise would not be an issue but was prepared to accept a condition regarding the closure of the garden area.

 

A local resident explained her concerns about the proposed variation adding that the noise generated (shouting, singing bad language) from the garden area was intolerable within her property and that the Environmental Health department had asked her to keep a diary.  She explained that the noise was affecting her health and that of her grand-daughter.  The  ...  view the full minutes text for item 9.

10.

Application for Variation of the Premises Licence for the White Hart, Salisbury Square, Hertford. SG14 1BW pdf icon PDF 75 KB

Additional documents:

Minutes:

The Senior Licensing and Enforcement Officer summarised the application adding that one representation had been received.   The Senior Licensing and Enforcement Officer reminded Members that having considered the application, their considerations should be evidence based and proportionate to what was being requested.  He explained that two Members had visited the premises but that no questions were asked at the time but held until the Sub-committee today.

 

The Senior Licensing and Enforcement Officer tabled a response from the representative and stated that there were a number of inconsistences (in terms of timings) in the document.

 

The Commercial Director (McMullens) stated that this was another well run pub and of a desire by the applicant to bring into use some storage areas and barns and of the suggested conditions by the Police.  No representations had been submitted in relation to the use of the areas (used under TENs) in the past. 

 

In response to a question, the DPS explained where the CCTVs were deployed. 

 

Councillor D Andrews sought clarification regarding why there was a need for the kitchen to be open late.  The Commercial Director (McMullens) explained that access to the kitchen was need to provide, in the main, teas and coffee.  

 

At the conclusion of the closing submissions, the Sub-Committee, Legal Officer and Democratic Services Officer withdrew from the meeting to allow the Sub-Committee to consider the evidence. 

 

Following their deliberations, the Sub-Committee returned.  The Chairman announced that the Sub-committee had listened to the comments and representation received.  As such the Sub-Committee was content that the variation as applied for be approved subject to the conditions agreed with the  Police (and contained within Essential Reference Paper “E” of the report).

 

RESOLVED  - that the variation be approved subject to the conditions agreed with the Police (and as detailed within essential Reference Paper “E” of the report).